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	<title>Comments on: The origin of English surnames 2: patronymics or father&#8217;s first name</title>
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	<description>&#34;What should they know of England who only England know?&#34;  Rudyard Kipling</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 02:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking it up in my surname book, it reckons Smitten as a surname comes from a number of places, in both England and Scotland. It reckons that the origin is &quot;Smith&#039;s Tun&quot;, or town of the Smith (blacksmith, probably, rather than goldsmith or silver smith). that makes it a derivative of Old English, rather than Welsh or Scots Gaelic.

However, it also points to a number of Smittens coming from both Scotland and Wales. That makes me suspect there is more than one origin of the name, and there could be a Welsh origin, as well as the Old English one. 

The census from England &amp; Wales can help establish origins. A quick search of that shows 14,118 occurances of the name in 1881, too many to get any idea of where they were living.

A search of 1837 to 1870 birth  records in England and Wales (not fully transcribed, yet) shows a total of 113 births with that name. A search of all the Welsh counties only shows 3 birth records for Smitten. That doesn&#039;t suggest a Welsh origin to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking it up in my surname book, it reckons Smitten as a surname comes from a number of places, in both England and Scotland. It reckons that the origin is &#8220;Smith&#8217;s Tun&#8221;, or town of the Smith (blacksmith, probably, rather than goldsmith or silver smith). that makes it a derivative of Old English, rather than Welsh or Scots Gaelic.</p>
<p>However, it also points to a number of Smittens coming from both Scotland and Wales. That makes me suspect there is more than one origin of the name, and there could be a Welsh origin, as well as the Old English one. </p>
<p>The census from England &amp; Wales can help establish origins. A quick search of that shows 14,118 occurances of the name in 1881, too many to get any idea of where they were living.</p>
<p>A search of 1837 to 1870 birth  records in England and Wales (not fully transcribed, yet) shows a total of 113 births with that name. A search of all the Welsh counties only shows 3 birth records for Smitten. That doesn&#8217;t suggest a Welsh origin to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Smitten</title>
		<link>http://www.webhistoryofengland.com/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-2249</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Smitten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

As you can see my name is Smitten and i was told this was Welsh and i have found evidence such as:A census of people leaving for America had a family of around 30 Smitten&#039;s leaving from Porthmadog however i typed my name into a origin finder and it said it was a Anglo-saxon name. Do you know if my name is Welsh or English?</description>
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<p>As you can see my name is Smitten and i was told this was Welsh and i have found evidence such as:A census of people leaving for America had a family of around 30 Smitten&#8217;s leaving from Porthmadog however i typed my name into a origin finder and it said it was a Anglo-saxon name. Do you know if my name is Welsh or English?</p>
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		<title>By: David Edelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 01:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
My mom&#039;s last name was Rodgers. I have it back to a FitzRogers. Any info about that name or history? One as a Norman knight I think.</description>
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My mom&#8217;s last name was Rodgers. I have it back to a FitzRogers. Any info about that name or history? One as a Norman knight I think.</p>
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		<title>By: JONATHAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>JONATHAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was fascinated to hear about the origins of the &quot;FITZ&quot; surname. So does this mean that every person with Fitz as part of their surname is descended from Norman aristocratic stock?

Or illegitimately descended from an ancient line of kings?

Could someone please give me a list of the different versions of the Fitz surname like Fitzroy, Fitzsimmons, Fitzgerald, Fitzpatrick, etc and what they mean and which ones could indicate royal origins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was fascinated to hear about the origins of the &#8220;FITZ&#8221; surname. So does this mean that every person with Fitz as part of their surname is descended from Norman aristocratic stock?</p>
<p>Or illegitimately descended from an ancient line of kings?</p>
<p>Could someone please give me a list of the different versions of the Fitz surname like Fitzroy, Fitzsimmons, Fitzgerald, Fitzpatrick, etc and what they mean and which ones could indicate royal origins?</p>
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		<title>By: David Edelen</title>
		<link>http://www.webhistoryofengland.com/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>David Edelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
My mother&#039;s maiden name was Rodgers, also spelled Rogers off and on. I have their line back to the 1300s in England to a FitzRogers. I would like an explanation of this. I was told they were Norman. But why did they drop the Fitz eventually?
Thanks,
Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
My mother&#8217;s maiden name was Rodgers, also spelled Rogers off and on. I have their line back to the 1300s in England to a FitzRogers. I would like an explanation of this. I was told they were Norman. But why did they drop the Fitz eventually?<br />
Thanks,<br />
Dave</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
		<link>http://www.webhistoryofengland.com/?p=232&#038;cpage=1#comment-1486</link>
		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s iolo ap dafydd, not iono. interesting sheizah though. heddwch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s iolo ap dafydd, not iono. interesting sheizah though. heddwch</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Ikin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Ikin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My surname could be location based with a slight modifacation, as there is a place called Iken ( I think thats it, lol) in the north east of England</description>
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		<title>By: Darby Penney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darby Penney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be interested in further pieces on the origins of English surnames - like where mine came from!</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, just posted on &#039;part 1&#039; about ab (or ap) pugh, only to see you&#039;ve already covered it here! Nice one :D Had no idea that Probert and Pritchard were based on the same rule. Interestingly (Rosie) Probert, (Mrs Ogmore-)Pritchard, (Myfanwy) Price, (Mr and Mrs) Pugh and (Curly) Bevan are all names used in &quot;Under Milk Wood&quot; by Dylan Thomas, as well as (Gomer) Owen (but not Bowen). Perhaps he was trying to be quintessentially Welsh? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, just posted on &#8216;part 1&#8242; about ab (or ap) pugh, only to see you&#8217;ve already covered it here! Nice one <img src='http://www.webhistoryofengland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  Had no idea that Probert and Pritchard were based on the same rule. Interestingly (Rosie) Probert, (Mrs Ogmore-)Pritchard, (Myfanwy) Price, (Mr and Mrs) Pugh and (Curly) Bevan are all names used in &#8220;Under Milk Wood&#8221; by Dylan Thomas, as well as (Gomer) Owen (but not Bowen). Perhaps he was trying to be quintessentially Welsh? <img src='http://www.webhistoryofengland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 04:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting post, i&#039;ve always wondered how many of the names we have today originated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting post, i&#8217;ve always wondered how many of the names we have today originated</p>
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